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You are in the thick of things
as we are in a country that is

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in chaos. We're trying to
encourage people of faith

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really just all Americans to vote
well. First of all, I just

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can't believe that so many
Christians don't vote. Uh you

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know it's anywhere from 40%
to 45% of evangelicals who

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don't vote, and I think the fact
that they're not engaging in

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the political process, not
running for office, a lot of

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them are not running for
office, but when you have that

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many people not voting, you're
going to get what the Scripture

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tells you'll get. And, the
scripture is clear. When the

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wicked rule the people suffer.
But the thing that I want to try

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to get across to people is I've
I've literally had pastors

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defend themselves for not
getting involved politically by

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quoting Romans Chapter
13. And obviously it says we're to be

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in submission to the to the
those in government because

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they're ministers of God. And
they say we're just supposed to

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submit and that's not correct.
When Paul wrote that, nobody got a

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chance to vote for Caesar.
Exactly. We live in a country

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that I think we have a
stewardship responsibility to

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vote because I believe we'll
give an account for it. Because

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we have the right not only to
pick who we place in

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government over us - who we will
submit to - it could be a

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neighbor. It could be somebody
that we work with, or our kid

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plays ball with, or somebody
that's in our church. We get to

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choose and I think that's a
stewardship that the church has

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not exercised faithfully - to
be totally blunt about it.

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Chaos is something that you
brought up. It's a sad thing to

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see this country in such
turmoil. Let me say about

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George Floyd. That's an
enormous tragedy. It's another

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example of the failure to show
the kind of compassion and

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attention to the things that
are going on in their inner

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city that we should be. But
that does not give people the

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right to destroy other
people's property. And what you have

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going on now in places like
Seattle and in Portland, in

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particular, is anarchy. When we
look at this, we begin to

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understand again the importance
of engaging in this process and

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making sure that we have the
right people in governance

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instead of allowing people
who are not only tearing down

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statues, they're trying to burn
a federal courthouse. And they

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even have people threatening to
tear down statues of Jesus or

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to break out stained glass
windows that depict Jesus. And

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we're just I mean we're just
not very far away from a

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serious attacks on our faith.
I'm talking about government

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that you can trust. Government
that will allow people to raise

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their families the way they
see fit, that allow people to

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live in safe neighborhoods so
that they can not only have a safe

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neighborhood to live in, they
can prosper. And I think if we

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did and we went about it,
the right way again, not from a

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theocratic perspective, but sound policies, sound economics, a real

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commitment to founding principles and
realizing that the constitution

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doesn't say a perfect union. It says
we the people of the United

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States in order to form a MORE
perfect union. Our founders

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recognized the human condition -
that there never will be a

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generation that had a perfect
union. It is a

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responsibility of every
generation to improve upon what

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the previous generation did, to
admit to the mistakes of the

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past, but not let the mistakes
of the past destroy us. To admit to

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the mistakes of the past and
find solutions to move us

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forward together. What would
you say to someone that says

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well, it's beyond hope. England
in the late 1700s was lost.

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London was referred to
as one giant casino.

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Their government was corrupt and then
along comes a couple of

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brothers, John and Charles
Wesley, and they lead a

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movement called the Methodist
Movement that sparked a revival

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that caught a member of
Parliament named William Wilberforce

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In 1787, Wilberforce
felt like God had initially

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felt like he should get out of
government because so corrupt,

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but he got a letter from a guy
that most Christians would

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recognize the name. He wrote
him and said it is to be

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believed that God has raised you up
for the good of the country and

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for the good of the church and
His glory. And that was John

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Newton - encouraged him to stay
in Parliament. He did and

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he believed his mission was two
fold. It was first of all the

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emancipation of the slaves in
the British Empire, but also

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the reformation of the
manners, the British people.

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He wrote a book called Real
Christianity that nobody

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thought anybody read. By 1798,
was in the sixth edition, but

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he was focused on revival. And
it took him 46 years on

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July 26, 1833 Parliament finally
voted to appropriate the money

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to emancipate slaves in the
British Empire and Wilberforce died

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3 days later, and you talk about
a mission call. A mission

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accomplished and what brought
about that vote in Parliament

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was a great awakening that
swept England and the same

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thing could happen here. You
think we have a real stark

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choice in this upcoming
November election for US

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president? No question. Just look
at the issues. People say

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"Well, you're you're getting
political." Yeah, you better get political.

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You better look at
the positions that people are taking.

